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Nov. 9th, 2002 12:00 pm
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Well, I listed one of my danger kitty pictures on ebay, but someone suggested I might try Furbid.  Does anyone have an opinion on this?  Would it be a waste of time? Honest answers welcome!
It seems like there aren't a ton of things posted, but I haven't really used it before so I'd appreciate any advice.  When you bid, do you prefer to bid one or the other?

the image I would be selling is the color version of this:
http://aimeemajor.com/images/temp2/amloli.jpg

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Date: 2002-11-09 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeshine.livejournal.com

i think you would have a large success on Furbid. Good luck :-)

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Date: 2002-11-09 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wogs.livejournal.com
OMG it's Goth Kitty!

Damnit...why do I have to be poor now!?!?!
I want it!
*cries*

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Date: 2002-11-09 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jynnifer.livejournal.com
That looks fantastic!

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Date: 2002-11-09 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wogs.livejournal.com
*cries*
I WANT IT!!! I want it to hang up there with my other original aimee danger kitty!
http://aimee.wyvernweb.com/images/portfolio/anthro/ktowlc.jpg

Have you decided if you're putting up on ebay or not?
*looks in change purse hoping to find some money in there*

BTW...have you ever thought of writing and illustrating your own childrens book? Your marker artwork is perfect for that (I think).

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Date: 2002-11-09 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aimeekitty.livejournal.com
eee ^_^! I think I'm going to put it on furbid as an experiment, see what happens, you know? *shrugs*

actually, I'd like to do a children's book, but I'm kinda nervous and not sure what to write about too., ya know?

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Date: 2002-11-09 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wogs.livejournal.com
You could always modify one of your films. For example, I really liked My Own Magic. It definately conveyed a message, yet was entertaining on a lot of levels.
And it's not hard to apply for copyrighting. Once you do that, you can just buy one of those Children's Writiers and Illustrators books: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/158297148X/qid=1036877237/sr=2-1/102-5432378-0548128?v=glance&s=books

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
Correcting a common new-writer error: You do NOT NOT NOT want to copyright your book before you go out looking for a publisher. For one, it costs money that the publisher will spend for you anyway. Two, it suggests to the publisher that you are a novice and neither know what you're doing nor trust the publisher.

Also, it is important to be very careful using those Writer's Market type books. Often, they are not very well researched. If you do use one, go through the book looking for markets that might work, THEN write directly to the publisher (or go to the publisher's website) and ask/look for guidelines.

Aimee, if you have any questions, general or specific, on how the publishing world works, ask away. I'll be happy to share, having gone through this sort of thing a few times now. ;)

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aimeekitty.livejournal.com
I would really appreciate that! I k now nothing about this obviously, but it would be nice to have a side job or something that enjoyable, assuming I could do something with a simple plot that would be easy for me to do...
just focus on the cute characters and art, simple story, etc.

seems like such a nice thing to do

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
Well, the first thing you do is write the book. Then you illustrate it.

The next step is to start doing some research. Go to a bookstore and look at children's books which are like the one you've done. Identify what their target age is (alternately, you can try from the beginning to gear your book toward "6-8 year olds" or "4-5 year olds" or whatever -- that might be a better plan). Write down who published them, and visit the websites of those publishers. Look for guidelines. If they don't have guidelines, it might specifically say that they don't take unagented material. (For the major publishers, this will invariably be the case.)

As far as finding an agent goes: google for "Association of Authors Representatives". You ONLY want an agent who's a member of the AAR; trust me on this one. You might ask [livejournal.com profile] sabledrake about how she got screwed out of a whole lot of money by an agent who wasn't an AAR member. The list at the AAR's site will list whether an agent handles children's books or not. Write to the agents you choose and ask them what they want to see in a submission package, and then follow their rules. Some may reply saying that they're not taking on new clients right now, but enough will be impressed by the fact that you gave enough of a damn to ask them what THEY want to see, that they will write back politely.

Also, it's considered bad form to have more than one agent looking at your complete manuscript at once, just so you know.

I know a lot more about the science fiction industry than I do about the children's book industry, but the rules are generally going to be the same even if the markets aren't.

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wogs.livejournal.com
Huh...
I've had quite a few friends copyright their work first then approach the publishers. They seem to have had no problems (a few are actively getting their books published now). I do know a woman who approached publishers with her book, and a few wouldn't look at it because they wanted her work to have a copyright on it. They didn't want the possible threat of being sued (should they come up with a similar book in the future).

If you do use one, go through the book looking for markets that might work, THEN write directly to the publisher (or go to the publisher's website) and ask/look for guidelines.
The book that I posted suggests you do this as well.

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
I do know a woman who approached publishers with her book, and a few wouldn't look at it because they wanted her work to have a copyright on it.

Which publishers?

I know of no major (i.e., titles they publish regularly appear on the NYT bestseller list) publishers with a policy like this.

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wogs.livejournal.com
I'll have to get that info for you. She works at my old job.
Oh wait...I could be thinking of agents....

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
They didn't want the possible threat of being sued (should they come up with a similar book in the future).

For what it's worth, I do know of some publishers who require you to send a release form along with anything you send them, releasing them from liability if they happen to publish something similar to what you've sent. These are usually RPG publishers, though, who see a lot of submissions from writers who want to do sourcebooks. A lot of the time, someone on staff is already developing something similar. I know that every time White Wolf Studios released a new RPG, they got slammed with proposals for Clanbooks/Tribebooks/Kithbooks/Podunk-City-By-Night books/what-have-you, most of which had ideas that the staff writers who were actually doing those books had already come up with.

I think Pocket Books also has a similar release-form requirement for people who want to send in proposals for Star Trek books. But again you've got the existing-setting thing going on. Publishers who don't do this don't need to ask people to submit release forms, because the only way they would print something similar would be if another writer submitted something similar. They don't have staff writers. I know that a lot of new writers copyright their work because they're afraid that a publisher will "steal" their idea and farm it out to another writer or something -- but no one can point to an incident of that actually happening. Ever. The editors I know and those whose blogs I read (e.g. Teresa Nielsen Hayden (http://www.nielsenhayden.com/makinglight) of Tor) tend to think of people who say "Oh, and this is already copyrighted" as raving lunatics.

But anyway, a copyright doesn't protect a writer from anything except someone else publishing EXACTLY what he/she has written. Ideas can't be copyrighted; only words and images can. This is why the woman who tried to sue J.K. Rowling for intellectual property infringement (because a book she'd published several years ago contained a character named "Larry Potter" and creatures called "muggles") got laughed out of court, because there was only a similarity, not actual plagiarism.

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wogs.livejournal.com
Ahhh...I see. That makes sense as well. So if you do have your own book, have already had it copyrighted (copywritten?), is it generally going to be harder getting publishers to look at it because they think you're a novice? Even if you are a new author anyway?
Hope you don't mind me picking your brain.

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maradydd.livejournal.com
As far as maintaining the appearance of professionalism goes, the thing to do is just don't mention it to the publishers until you've sold it to them. :) I'm not sure what happens after that. Generally speaking, a first book is going to require a fair amount of revision, so the book will probably have to be re-copyrighted anyway -- since there will generally have been "substantial revision" to the form that was originally copyrighted, and the original copyright will then no longer be valid (on the revised form, I mean).

I could ask. I have a good buddy who does layout for Harper Collins, and I'm sure she'd know who to find out from, if she doesn't already know herself.

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wogs.livejournal.com
Thank you! I appreciate your comments on this.

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Date: 2002-11-09 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anaaki.livejournal.com
i've used furbid before to sell.
its for the furry crowd, alot of people who look at yerf go there. so if you posted a link to furbid from yerf, i'm sure more people would go. just because its focused on furry items rather than ebay being anything in the world there is to sell.
and being that your popular on yerf, i'm sure you'll get some bids!

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Date: 2002-11-09 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] domkitty.livejournal.com
Nya, those are so my colours. Black and pink *drools* And her eyes are just so adorable. They seem to say "pet me, you know you want to" ^_^

I'm surprised you haven't tried Furbid before, it being a target for furry fans and all. I'm going to make a prediction now but don't shoot me if it turns out wrong: you'll probably get more bids on Furbid because of the high concentration of people wanting just the sort of thing you offer.

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Date: 2002-11-09 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalis.livejournal.com
Oh so cute!
I use furbid as one of my main ways of paying for supplies at school, I think your work would do really well there as well as listing on Furbid is free. ^_^

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yakkette.livejournal.com
I've sold on furbid, but it was to someone I knew from somewhere else, so I don't know if that counts. In my experience, a lot of what I feel is crappy art but from well known artists within the furry community is really popular on furbid, while better art but from lesser known artists tends to not sell as much. That's been my experience. But I'd still give it a try!

Yay for Danger Kitties! ^^

Date: 2002-11-09 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comixcat.livejournal.com
It looks great! She reminds me a bit of Sara from Angel Sanctuary because of the shoes! ^.^
Have you used TRIA Markers for coloring?

And, what is "Furbid"? O_o°

Re: Yay for Danger Kitties! ^^

Date: 2002-11-09 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aimeekitty.livejournal.com
furbid is a free auction page online that focuses on anthro items and artwork. I used Copic markers on this one and prismacolor pencil

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Date: 2002-11-09 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkmistrob.livejournal.com
Ack, that’s gorgeous, I really love her face and hair, not to mention her expression.

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Date: 2002-11-09 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ysanne.livejournal.com
That's adorable, Aimee! I've never heard of Furbid, but that's agreat drawing, and should do well if you can showcase it somehow!

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Date: 2002-11-10 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gally99.livejournal.com
there's also this place, which is up-and-coming.... and free listings too
http://auctions.boboki.com/

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Date: 2002-11-10 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] junkershvn.livejournal.com
what do "Yerf" and "Yiff" mean?

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Date: 2002-11-10 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aimeekitty.livejournal.com
yerf is just an exclamation by some "furry".

'yiff' however is a sexual term.

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Date: 2002-11-11 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] junkershvn.livejournal.com
ah, I see...
so I guess I can add "Yiff" to the list of words I probably shouldn't have asked for the meaning of....like "bukake" and "futanari".....

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